30/50 HoM in 2 days, from scratch. Is it a lie? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Iuris · Nov 04, 2010, 12:58 PM // 12:58

Jesus K-rist, people, DO SOME MATHS! Just because you can type it in 5 minutes doesn't mean you can also DO it that fast!

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Devotion:
1: Any Gold mini

Which is either bought (and prices have gone up), for money not instantly earned, and will require some time standing in a trade town. Or, if none are offered, farmed on canthan festival day, which for me has so far meant 10 characters*all quests (3 quests * 15 min * 10 characters = 8 hours of play time) to earn ONE gold mini.

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2: Any Green mini

Only guaranteed one is Black Moa chick. 15 mins to get the eg, 15 mins to harden it, 30 mins to travel to the incubator crafter, (how much did you pay for the spirit wood?) 15 mins to get volcanic rock, 10 mins to get juni berries, farm skree wings and bog fins for ? hours, 10 mins apiece to trade them for the items, 30 mins travel to Sorrow's furnace, do 4 quests (with even just getting to the entrance taking 10 minutes, plus quests taking 15 mins (Leeroy escort) to half hour (the others), plus finale... (let's say a long play day. I KNOW, I've done it three times at least)

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This'll give you 2 more points (and just buy first years, they're very cheap)

Money can help - but minis are going up in prices.

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Fellowship:
1: Cap Black Moa

5 minutes ONLY if you've already done the 1 hour quest.

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2: Go get MOX (does't need armour upgrade)

Let's count this one as instantaneous.

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3: Do any of the hero armour mini-games (you only need 2)

15 minutes per, and only if you are good. For me, it takes three attempts to get a drop.

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4: Any 5 Statues (Full display). You'll get this for completing the other 2.
Should take less than an hour.

OK, see below.

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Honor:
1: Sorrow's Furnace

Let's count it as done under green mini.

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2: Complete Tyria

25 missions times half hour (the short ones are offset by long ones, like abaddon's mouth bonus, THK etc.) 12 hours, say?

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3: Complete Faction

13 missions at half hour. 6 hours.

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This'll give you another 3 points. Depends how far you are, but should take ~4 hours to do only the necessary missions.

I'd like to see you put up videos of THAT, especially since you need bonus objectives, too.

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Resilience:
1: Elite Kurzick/Luxon
2: Elite Vabbian
3: Any 2 others.
This is very money dependant, but a very easy 5 points.

So let's call it very expensive instantaneous points? Or maybe we could actually look at 60k per set (headpiece not needed), 400 normal mats at say 100 gold per ten mats (yeah right, check the prices of iron etc. 4000 gold at least) 40 special mats at say 200 per (and hope it's not 1.2k per mat... still 4000 gold there), and if you're talking the special ones... one jade quarry win in 10 minutes for one jade/amber. Times 80 = 10 hours at least - if you win consistently.

Vabbian is now what, 10k per gem? and you need 16 each? 320K plus mats, right? Oh, is the trader not in stock? Stand in Kamadan advertising for some...

All times five., didn't we say? How fast do you earn your money?

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Valor:
1: Complete War in Kryta questline and get Oppressor Weapon.

That's half an hour travelling, watching cinematics (they need to finish to advance), and then three bounties at say 15 mins apiece, three missions at say 30 mins apiece (maybe, I never was that fast), plus finale.

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2: Buy Destroyer Weapon
Another that's money dependent, but an easy 3 points.

How much are diamonds and onyx these days? I do believe stacks of granite have gone seriously up in price.

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This is an easy 15 points anyway that should be doable in 2 days.

It's only easy if you've already done everything before and have tons of cash.

Seriously people, 100k per elite armor times 5 is half a million! And the money you spend there is money you can't spend elsewhere! 20 ectos for a tormented weapon means you don't get to use those ectos on your FoW armor! Also, all those hours... if you play 8 hours per day, that's nice for you - but my guildies play two hours every three days... They are working on the HoM and have been for a long time!

IT IS NOT FAST IF YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY DO IT!

Luminarus · Nov 04, 2010, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by Crimson Robes

Play through factions, should take about a day max (2 titles, playing thru + all mishes mastered)

- Agreed

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Originally Posted by Crimson Robes

Capping moa takes about 20 minutes -

Agreed

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Originally Posted by Crimson Robes

Complete UW and FoW (2 hours each)

- Agreed assuming you can find group/have alliance and dont suck

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Originally Posted by Crimson Robes

Sell your ectos and shards should EASILY be able to get 1 green and one gold mini

-SAY WHAT! First year gold minis are about 50k give or take atm. Greens start from about 75 for the black moa. If your getting 125k from 1 UW and 1 FoW run im doign something wrong. Thats the equivalent of about 17 or 18 ectos in a non speed clear run. no WAY!

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Originally Posted by Crimson Robes

Go to EoTN get ran to the cnetral transfer chamber, do glints challenge for a few hero armors.

You cant get run to CTC therefore im assuming you mean run through all eotn missions. In which case it comes back to $$$ therefore WRONG again.

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Originally Posted by Crimson Robes

Add ANY weapon to hom (destroyer, tormented or opressor, i think destroyer is the cheapest atm)

Still comes back to cash. Sure 50k right now is relatively cheap. However starting from SCRATCH thats quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by Crimson Robes

18 points so far in 2 days, no cash to start with. Altho i admit doing UW might be a bit hard for the less uhm...."pro" people

Edit: you can swap UW for sorrows furnace, its a bit easier to do, altho less reward. Also mox is free to add to HoM, easy point there also which you didnt utilize!

Edit: im 100% sure that you (by you i mean an experienced gw player on an entirely new account, not you per se) can get 30/50 in a week. Not 2 days maybe, but a week? piece of cake.

Basically to summarise from scratch, if with 0 outside assistance in terms of money AND no crazy r8 15>50 fellblade or something ridiculously valuable in the first couple of days it is impossible for a brand new account to be 30/50 within a week. It would be theoretically possible ina week of playtime (ie 168 hours of gametime) but not within the passage of 7 days.

**cosyfiep** · Nov 04, 2010, 02:22 PM // 14:22

IF it is a new account and they have no money, no its quite unlikely they would be able to complete stuff in that amount of time.
IF they had another account and it was a 2ndary (or tertiary or so), then more likely since they might have access to funds and runners to help them finish things up (prophecies only requires the last 4 missions to get that point hero of tyria?).

but 2 days....just no

FengShuiDove · Nov 04, 2010, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Maybe it was a mis-type and it was supposed to be 3/50. The 2 days is the time it takes to ship from the dealer, or to download and install the game. No reason to freak out gaizzzz.

In all seriousness, 30/50 from a new non-smurf account in 2 days is impossible. One of these days, if I'm reeeeeally bored, I might see how many points I can get on my second account in a few days. But not likely. And not likely 30/50.

Dzjudz · Nov 04, 2010, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

One of these days, if I'm reeeeeally bored, I might see how many points I can get on my second account in a few days. But not likely. And not likely 30/50.

Got 50/50 on my main and decided to see how far I could get my second account without too much trouble.

I'm essentially broke (had 10k when I decided to start with the second account).

It was 8/50 when I started it (a mini, a hero, linked acc, couple of statues, an elite armor). It's 19/50 now after a couple of days. Added several hero armors, a statue (UW) to get full statue points, vabbian armor (which I already had but hadn't added yet).

To get 30 I either have to seriously play to get titles or seriously farm to buy minis/armors.

I don't see how I can even get from the 19 I have now to 30 in a couple of days, let alone if you have to start from 0 (or the 3 free ones you always get).

A mini moa, 9 more heroes, 5 more statues, 2 more elite armors and a destroyer and oppressor will get me to 26 points. Impossible to do all that in two days, and that won't even get me to 30 points from 19 points...

Crimson Robes · Nov 04, 2010, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

You can't run to CTC (unless you participate in DD with someone who is doing that quest).

Trust me you can. Can take screens of my monk with chaos gloves who hasnt finished EoTN if needed

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Oh yee unbelievers!

Verene · Nov 04, 2010, 05:22 PM // 17:22

For those calculating mission and campaign completion times - don't forget the time that it takes doing those primary quests that lead you from mission to mission. Oftentimes those take much longer than the actual missions themselves, and can easily double the amount of time it takes you to complete the campaign.

JONO51 · Nov 04, 2010, 05:25 PM // 17:25

If you have a few mil, then yeah its doable in 2 days. About 35 ish points can just be bought. The rest you'll have to play to.

Dzjudz · Nov 04, 2010, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by Crimson Robes

Trust me you can. Can take screens of my monk with chaos gloves who hasnt finished EoTN if needed

Oh yee unbelievers!

Read again, I said "unless you participate in DD with someone who is doing that quest." You can't run there in the traditional sense of the word (running through explorable areas to a portal) like you can all the other outposts in eotn. You have to do a quest (DD, like I said).

Crimson Robes · Nov 04, 2010, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Read again, I said "unless you participate in DD with someone who is doing that quest." You can't run there in the traditional sense of the word (running through explorable areas to a portal) like you can all the other outposts in eotn. You have to do a quest (DD, like I said).

u can do it solo. Just go to the king jarlis zone and run thru the dungeon area

Markus Clouser · Nov 04, 2010, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Totally possible in a single day if you have the cash. You can even get 35+ depending on how fast you can finish EoTN & NF (for all the heroes), Factions (for Imperial Phoenix & Black Moa) do protector & guardian and how fast you buy your stuff.

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Originally Posted by Iuris

Money can help - but minis are going up in prices.

False. Let me know if you want an explanation as well.

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Originally Posted by Iuris

13 missions at half hour. 6 hours.

You can finish protector in way less. Not to mention Guardian.

Dzjudz · Nov 04, 2010, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by Crimson Robes

u can do it solo. Just go to the king jarlis zone and run thru the dungeon area

Now don't start lying.

Xman · Nov 04, 2010, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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False. Let me know if you want an explanation as well.

This is just false. I have sold 2 white minis for 5k each. The 2 minis in question were a jade armor and temple guardian.

ClaireSpiritcaller · Nov 04, 2010, 08:02 PM // 20:02

I also started 2 years ago (at christmas time) and i'm at 30/50

Clobimon · Nov 04, 2010, 08:45 PM // 20:45

Why are people always commenting about buying points & titles? Are there really that many that actually bought/buy their achievements? I'm not asking rhetorically, I'm curious. It's just that I haven't bought a single thing for any title or point on my main - other than occassionally some materials for crafting armors & weapons of course. I always assumed that was the norm. It doesn't make sense to me most of the time to buy stuff. Take the hero armors for instance - I needed 3 more ancient armors when the calculator went up. I did one run through the challenge and got 4 remnants. It probably would have taken me longer to find 3 for sale and spend XXk on than do it myself.

Crimson Robes · Nov 04, 2010, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Xman

This is just false. I have sold 2 white minis for 5k each. The 2 minis in question were a jade armor and temple guardian.

Black moa chick you can easily get yourself, and got a mini shiro for about 15k a few days back

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Now don't start lying.

Well i did it by myself... Ah well maybe my memory is just bad. Wouldnt be too hard to find someone with the quest though thatl join for a minute and leaves when ur in the dungeon

domaspiragas · Nov 04, 2010, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by Clobimon

Why are people always commenting about buying points & titles? Are there really that many that actually bought/buy their achievements? I'm not asking rhetorically, I'm curious. It's just that I haven't bought a single thing for any title or point on my main - other than occassionally some materials for crafting armors & weapons of course. I always assumed that was the norm. It doesn't make sense to me most of the time to buy stuff. Take the hero armors for instance - I needed 3 more ancient armors when the calculator went up. I did one run through the challenge and got 4 remnants. It probably would have taken me longer to find 3 for sale and spend XXk on than do it myself.

Because money grows on trees in this game. People run out of things to buy... why not buy stuff for HoM?

*lemming* · Nov 04, 2010, 09:09 PM // 21:09

Don't forget that new accounts start with 55k from zkeys.

*Darcy* · Nov 05, 2010, 01:13 AM // 01:13

55k won't get you much towards any maxed titles. All it does is give you funds to purchase some max armor and decent weapons.

Gennadios · Nov 05, 2010, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by Clobimon

Why are people always commenting about buying points & titles? Are there really that many that actually bought/buy their achievements?

The higher up the completion totem pole you go, the less self-sufficient you become simply because certain title requirements are very difficult to farm casually without a significant (1 or 2 year) time investment.

Examples would be Zaishen (Well, can be done in maybe 3 months of nonstop FA/JQ), Sweet Tooth, Party Animal, Alehound, not to mention Minis.

Even destroyer weapons, which are the cheapest collector weapons are a pain in the ass to farm solo. It's easier to just buy stockpiles off of the various speedclear guilds out there.

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Originally Posted by lemming

Don't forget that new accounts start with 55k from zkeys.

That 55k worth of zkeys would be better spent unlocking the zaishen title for the pvp requirement.

Nov 04, 2010, 02:22 PM // 14:22	#23
cosyfiep are we there yet? Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in a land far far away Guild: guild? I am supposed to have a guild? Profession: Rt/	IF it is a new account and they have no money, no its quite unlikely they would be able to complete stuff in that amount of time. IF they had another account and it was a 2ndary (or tertiary or so), then more likely since they might have access to funds and runners to help them finish things up (prophecies only requires the last 4 missions to get that point hero of tyria?). but 2 days....just no __________________ where is the 'all you can eat' cookie bar?

Nov 04, 2010, 09:09 PM // 21:09	#38
lemming The Hotshot Join Date: May 2006 Location: Honolulu Guild: International District [id???]	Don't forget that new accounts start with 55k from zkeys. __________________ Interested in GvG? Want to watch some high-level PvP? Check out some streams and recordings!

Nov 04, 2010, 02:28 PM // 14:28	#24
FengShuiDove Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2007 Guild: Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] Profession: A/	Maybe it was a mis-type and it was supposed to be 3/50. The 2 days is the time it takes to ship from the dealer, or to download and install the game. No reason to freak out gaizzzz. In all seriousness, 30/50 from a new non-smurf account in 2 days is impossible. One of these days, if I'm reeeeeally bored, I might see how many points I can get on my second account in a few days. But not likely. And not likely 30/50.

Nov 04, 2010, 05:22 PM // 17:22	#27
Verene Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: [SOTA] Profession: D/	For those calculating mission and campaign completion times - don't forget the time that it takes doing those primary quests that lead you from mission to mission. Oftentimes those take much longer than the actual missions themselves, and can easily double the amount of time it takes you to complete the campaign.

Nov 04, 2010, 05:25 PM // 17:25	#28
JONO51 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2006 Profession: P/	If you have a few mil, then yeah its doable in 2 days. About 35 ish points can just be bought. The rest you'll have to play to.

Nov 04, 2010, 08:02 PM // 20:02	#34
ClaireSpiritcaller Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Houston, Texas Guild: Blade and Rose Profession: Rt/A	I also started 2 years ago (at christmas time) and i'm at 30/50

Nov 04, 2010, 08:45 PM // 20:45	#35
Clobimon Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2006	Why are people always commenting about buying points & titles? Are there really that many that actually bought/buy their achievements? I'm not asking rhetorically, I'm curious. It's just that I haven't bought a single thing for any title or point on my main - other than occassionally some materials for crafting armors & weapons of course. I always assumed that was the norm. It doesn't make sense to me most of the time to buy stuff. Take the hero armors for instance - I needed 3 more ancient armors when the calculator went up. I did one run through the challenge and got 4 remnants. It probably would have taken me longer to find 3 for sale and spend XXk on than do it myself.

Nov 05, 2010, 01:13 AM // 01:13	#39
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	55k won't get you much towards any maxed titles. All it does is give you funds to purchase some max armor and decent weapons.